2013 Rule Book Discussion

While our (WMRC) wording may be crappy, the OMRRA rule that Hein quoted is in the spirit of the rule. It's not about lappers or wanting to be Lorenzo or whatever, it's about having an identifiable target for promotion to expert rather than simply finishing in the top 3 of a class that had more than 5 racers.

Take a look at the points spreadsheet for last year. For Int. SBK, 600SS and OSS, there was 5 racers for most of the year.

 

ryan,u put it very well...i knew the motives/intensions of thats what the club was trying to do....doesn't change how i feel about where this is going....so, i will be going elsewhere.

j

 

Shit. I tried to keep away from this discussion but I can't resist the BRIGHT LIGHT!!!!

I also was at the rules book committee meeting. I don't agree with some stuff but it was a committee made up of more than 1 person. We'll just leave it at that...

I have heard all the arguments for getting rid of intermediates. I can pick most of them apart in a matter of seconds... Now Ryan was nice enough to write them down. It will take me slightly longer to pick most of them apart (I don't type as fast as I speak)

#1. No problem with this one. Gridding/scoring is now simplified.

#2. At least the Int. could spend a bunch of money to "buy" a trophy. Now they're going to have to spend a bunch of money just to make cut-off time. Ok, we can get rid of cut-off times, but still, they're going to have to spend a bunch of money to at least feel competitive. Fact of life - you race a modern 600+ you need $$$$$$'s to be fast/competitive. Go big or go home seems to be norm in the 'premiere' classes. To prevent losing people we should be educating novices and promoting the grass-roots classes (250's and FC). People need to have skills first before going big. (and some of the most exciting racing last year WAS in the grass-roots classes)

#3. These same Int. that were racing Exp in the US and were "out of their depth" are still going to be out of their depth since they will all chose to turn expert anyways... They're going to go down south, with Exp status, race Exp, still be out of their depth, and everyone will be having a good chuckle at our expense. Picture... "Oh, here come those Exp. from up north again..." Chuckle, chuckle chuckle... Woudn't it have been better to just educate the Int. as to the appropriate classes they should race in down south?

#4. Why align ourselves with the guys down south? How many US racers have come up in the last two years? I've seen lots of Edmonton/Calgary folks though...

I'll add another point.

Before we had 3 classes: Nov, Am/Int, Exp.
We now have 3 classes: Nov, Grad Nov, Exp.

Except for cutoff times and bright t-shirts, what's the difference?

And to echo Ryan's closing, that's my $0.02.

Alex

 

Ryan, thanks. It can't be easy trying to decide what is best for the club and the membership. While I don't agree with some of the new rules, this thread was started as a way to get explanations of the rule changes so I hope it can continue that way for folks who have other questions. I have monopolized the thread enough I will shut up now.

Merry Christmas everyone

 

A little off the subject, but has the club ever considered paying some of the positions normally filled by volunteers? In motocross,everyone who helps out gets paid. Flaggers get $50 a day, lap counters/scorers get paid, start/finish flagger, etc. The only positions not paid are the executive and they do as much work as possible to save the club some expenditures. A not-for-profit club is not meant to have a lot of money in the bank. Now that the air fence has been purchased the club should have some funds building up again. Instead of dumping a huge responsibility on a few volunteers it would be worth spending a bit of money to make the entire race day process a bit more relaxed for the people in key positions. I realize the track rental is a huge drain on the clubs account, but there must be some funds.

 

LOL I am still waiting for a answer to the question I have posted twice now

 

LOL, was wondering if that one was going to be addressed

good luck....

​okay, I'm done NOW

 

We used to be paid a bit but that ended four or five if not six years ago. Club said they can't afford it.
They may get a little better turn out of steady volunteers if they revisit that and offer to at least cover expenses perhaps.

 

Sorry, thought I had responded to that earlier.

For WCC, the procedure has not yet been finalized, but there will be intermediate running seperate from Expert. So if you are an out of towner, it's same as it was last year. For WMRC racers, it is my thought (to be discussed with WCC organizers) that the WMRC will nominate their intermediates in a fair and impartial manner to be agreed upon by the rest of the WCC organizers (I know, I know another secret committee).

 

these secret meetings sound like fun, is there pizza involved? LOL anyway the ball bounces I look forward to racing with you boys again next season. Hope you guys can work these issues out.

 

I tried to get the "only guys named Ryan" get to start on pole position rule implemented, but was voted down.

 

I find it amazing people are still arguing for a 3 tier system with the low number of riders. Lu, I am completely confused with your issue, wouldn't you be an expert regardless of the number of tiers? you are plenty fast and experienced enough to race expert.
there will most def. be a few kinks in the transition but make no mistake everyone else will follow soon enough. Has anyone looked a the pathetic grids in the joke known as CDN superbike. some of the 600 races had 7 riders. How long before they get rid of AM to make a decent pro grid.
I think a lot of WMRC 'ers have put way to much value in winning and not enough value in racing.
I am not trying to create an argument but I would like for someone to give a decent reason why the two tier system is bad, other then they might not win.

 

thanks adam...as i stated earlier this will not affect me and this is not my personal agenda (and has nothing to do with whether it is 2 or 3 tier)....i surely won't be running top 5 or winning races and that's ok.it seems as tho some of these changes are accomadating just a few and alienating good club members....in particular niko and jason......it has become a matter of principle.maybe,it was all in the approach on how it was presented.....from the phone calls i've recieved the club is going to lose a lot of members over this....i was trying to keep a positive persepective on this fiasco....adam,there are you and a few other fast guy's i have the utmost respect for their riding ability,and demeanor.adam,the exec is looking at options for running this track,like a track in the states.do you really believe it's of the same caliber?hell no!do you really think racers will show up from the states? probably not.when i first started at mission,hell even when i used to go to westwood,there was a family/club like feel....that has seem to diminish over the last few years.

 

I am not sure why Jason or anyone else is alienated, please explain. I think the clubs biggest problem is retaining experts and I am not talking about top 5 experts. The problem is when you come up through a system that has a lot of classes and a shit load of trophies every year, it can be tough to take when a rider reaches expert. All of a sudden being a front runner seems impossible so they quit. I think if the WMRC survives the next season it will be stronger, new novices will come in and learn they have to earn there way to the top of the box and the culture of "winners only" will pass. the conversation on here always comes back to the same thing "not being competitive". I don't get it, the riders are the same, everyone will race with the same people they always do, maybe just for a different position.
Its really pretty simple math. if every rider on the grid wants to be in a class where they get a top 5 minimum or they are "not competitive" and say we have 10 classes. THATS ONLY 50 RIDERS!

 

I'm confused as to how Nikola and Jason are being alienated as well? Both already made Expert status. Niko years ago, and Jason Hanson was announced expert at the banquet. I understand the cut-off times are an issue for some, and based on this thread the executive is looking at those points and considering removing them.

what other changes are accommodating just a few? Please back up the allegations with facts.

 

bring it up again and you will get my vote , ryan rupcich

 

Ryan Tran chiming in, need all the help I can get

250's and fc class will rock next year...we are going so slow, conversations about racing and weekend plans can be had down the straight while downing a sandwich and tea, 10 laps of that, who needs a forum.

 

based on mr.hanson's posts....and who else rides a 748 that has less hp than you know who...don't insult my intelligence.

 

Been there, done that and almost got the bankruptcy notice. It was a slippery slope that ended with everyone hanging around with their hand out. Although the Airfence acquisition is pretty much over, the next step will be a new timing and scoring system to replace the dBcom hardware and Kronos software. About $8000 not including a transponder rental pool if we get what I hope we get. The new software will work wonders reducing volunteer workload (right Gail?). The new hardware will help reduce workload on race days.

Maybe next year if the bank balance stays healthy.

 

Lu get real. I'll gladly put my SV up against the 748 on a dyno any day of the week. For the record, my SV blew the doors off of Deans because Ron can build a pretty rock solid motor.

Niko is a close friend of mine and although we respect each other and are friends we disagree on the 748 being in MWT. Not sure why you are upset about the 748 getting knocked out of MWT, it is still in MWSBK. Also, I vividly remember Nikola telling everyone at the banquet that he didn't have any competition this year.